HEALTH

Nonius · Post by **Nonius** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:02 pm

beer is healthy

chiral3 · Post by **chiral3** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:44 pm

O'Douls (sp?) doesn't count.

Microbreweries will give their spent grains to local farmers to feed pigs. The grains will have saccharides left and will ferment with ambient candida yeasts making the pile mildly alcoholic (not all ambient yeast is nice, like lambic). The pigs get a little drunk. I eat the pigs.

Maggette · Post by **Maggette** » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:58 pm

I have to admitt I am a coke junk. Coca Cola that is. White sugar, even more so in drinks, is a killer.

In my times as an competitive athletes I did eat okay, but not super healthy. The short stints I did, I have to admitt I felt absoluteley great!! I could sleep better, work out harder and concentrate longer while learning, reading or coding.

Right now I work out 3-5 times a week. But most of the time only 2 are really hard, the rest are not that ambitious. And I eat like shit these days and do not sleep enough. I just lack the discipline ${L_SMILIES_SAD}$ .

Regarding blood pressure, I am not sure how serious I can take the norm values.

Nonius · Post by **Nonius** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:44 am

"Microbreweries will give their spent grains to local farmers to feed pigs."

baghead · Post by **baghead** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:20 pm

A few years back I cut out carbs and lost 20 kilos in a little over four months.

breakfast was like scrambled eggs with bacon

fish or poultry with veg for lunch

and a 500g sirloin with creamed spinach and a side salad for dinner with half a bottle of red.

And a cheese platter with the remaining half bottle.

First 20 kilos were a walk in the park. then I plateaued.

carbs ex-booze kill ya.

Nonius · Post by **Nonius** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:58 pm

that's true. doesn't booze kill ya on getting fat? I'm thinking beer. or maybe it's when you knock back pints you tend to pig out on crap.

baghead · Post by **baghead** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:05 pm

It's an interesting question what the relationship between alcohol intake and body weight is. Intuitively, a higher energy intake should result in weight gain. Data suggests that people that consume little or no alcohol are leaner but that could be caused by this group generally leading a healthier life style. On the far end of the alcohol consumption distribution, read alcoholics, there is an energy intake substitition effect. At the belly (pun intended), consuming alcohol seems to be additional energy to the system AND let's one make worse nutritional decisions.

Regardless of the additional energy intake, the metabolical effect of alcohol in relation to body weight is still not fully understood.

Fact is- alcohol doesn't make you stronger or faster or smarter. Sadly.

chiral3 · Post by **chiral3** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:23 pm

The calories are one thing (and red wine has calories!). There's also where the calories come from. Aside from this alcohol does other things that aren't great for staying thin. For instance it screws with hormones (testosterone, which will make you lean, and hormones that make you feel hungry). Alcohol also changes the lipid profile. CNS impacts are well known (the positive "stress reduction" aspects are talked about disproportionately to the bad aspects). Further, alcohol, whether is the middling acetaldehyde step during hepatic metabolism, or something else we don't even understand, is a carcinogen. Arguably amplified when coincident with nitrous amines (like from tobacco or grilled meats).

You never hear about things that will make you better or more healthy that don't involve spending money. That's because people are full of shit. The side effect of all of this angling to separate people from their money is that many, especially in the US, feel that you have to buy and ingest something. Great for industries like the unregulated supplement industry. Similarly things that we ingest that are, at best, inert, we need to find ways to make it sound like they improve or benefit us.

jslade · Post by **jslade** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:34 pm

Main thing about alcohol: while your liver is working on it, you don't burn fat (roughly speaking; it's actually worse than this).

Also, eating a bunch of junk food always seems like a better idea when you are tatered.

baghead · Post by **baghead** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:53 pm

I never understood the concept of calories. The energy to increase the temperature of a litre of water by one degree centigrade doesn't seem to relate to what's happening metabolically.