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Vegetarianism.

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:05 pm
by Nonius
back on this in general, I've started converging to a meld of mediterranean, japanese and maybe a sort of splash of Armenian/Georgian diet, occasionally interrupted by indulging in South Indian black dal, or maybe some west coast mexican stuff and mesquite grilled fish.



so, for me what works is your basic lentils and other beans, nuts, olive oil, cheese, fish in various levels of cooking or not, yogurt, wine, herbs in a basket (coriander/dill/basil/parsely), huge portions of tomatoes, avocado, aubergine, courgette, onions, garlic, oranges, lemon, lime, some more wine drunk out of the horn of a bull, chacha, eggs, maybe a portion of a burnt offering of young lamb spit roasted by the phonecian seaside, every now and then that is, and maybe every now and then some carne asada or carnitas. and lots of chilli peppers, every day actually. oh, and beer. and vodka. and 4 packs camel light. no funny stuff like MELT.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:16 pm
by HankScorpio
[Nonius]: ... and 4 packs camel light ...



Dude, Nooooooooo.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:17 am
by Nonius
camel light's a veggie, no?

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:12 pm
by FDAXHunter
Hello NP,



I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian, and have been on this diet for over 20 years with zero deviations. People often ask me about it (which is actually annoying if you want to know the truth).

Vegetarianism is a very personal choice and purely reflects personal preference in my opinion. It's a bit like religion that way and because of this you often observe religion-like zeal in practicing vegans (and some vegetarians). And like all religious debates, good science and scientific evidence often fall by the wayside as they run their course.

This has been mentioned by Nonius already.



There is no scientific evidence (that I'm aware of) that vegetarians or vegans live better in any way, shape or form. In fact, most vegans are deficient in a number of nutrients (whether they acknowledge this or not is another question that again, just comes down their personal view of the world).



I don't think being a vegetarian is inherently more healthy. And being vegan definitely isn't. Humans are omnivores and being vegetarian goes against essential nutritional requirements. Sure, we can supplement and pay very close attention to what we eat, but it's sub-optimal by definition.



So whenever people tell you that being vegan or vegetarian is inherently more healthy, I'd say be skeptical. There is no evidence of this being the case, and many vegetarians I know eat a lot more unhealthily than their omnivorous counterparts.



As a vegetarian, I would recommend that if people are worried about a healthy, balanced diet I would guide them to exactly that: a healthy, balanced diet consisting of some meat and poultry, more fish, and all that with a reasonably high percentage of unprocessed foods (which almost always contain a truck load of simple & complex carbohydrates coupled with an overdose of fats and additives that I don't even know what they are anymore (and I studied biochemistry).

I would also advocate not eating too much (i.e. keeping your caloric intake to a certain level) and consuming smaller portions throughout the day instead of going for the whole breakfast/lunch/dinner 24-hour cycle. This is hard in today's lifestyles.



To paraphrase Andym what he said on trading once:

"Eating healthy is simple, but not easy in today's times."

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:53 pm
by chiral3
Maybe people ask you because you say "ovo-lacto". I suspect that when most people say "I am vegetarian" they mean to imply, and it is inferred, that they are ovo-lacto. But many people don't know the term so they ask, not realizing that most vegetarians are ovo-lacto.

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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:15 pm
by Nonius
first time I heard of the term. FDAX is the first vegetarian I've ever met (and my God, I've known the mofo since 2003), who actually has not pontificated with some piety on the concept of BEING a vegetarian. Well, maybe that's not precisely true. I used to live with this German mathematician chess champion and Go champion who was sort of like that. I wrote a story about him once. Karsten Henckell.

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 6:24 am
by jslade
Upon taking my nightly post workout feed, I am reminded of a trick from 1950s era muscleheads. If you eat a steak, take betaine with it. There's a lot of nonsense "bro-science" you'll find when you google the subject, but it definitely helps digest food.



Back in the old pre-dianabol health and fitness muscle magazines, muscle heads thought digestion was one of the most important things for good health. You can read Bernarr McFadden and Sandow and other such health gurus giving specific instructions as to the proper mastication techniques. Probably overblown (McFadden chewed his coffee and milk), but certainly digesting the food properly will help you retain nitrogen better, as well making for a more pleasant life. Betaine helps.



Since we're in the trashcan here, I figure I'll share my love for the old health and fitness magazines. The advice isn't always completely sound, but it's much better than what you get in the modern equivalent, as there were no drugs involved, and these guys mostly weren't selling anything other than chest expanders (which, FWIIW, are a great workout for road warriors). A lot of the weird ideas these guys had are actually very good.



http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/

http://www.bernarrmacfadden.com/

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Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:39 pm
by Nonius
The Rock ain't Arnie by any stretch, but I read about his diet, which seemed to include copious portions of chicken fish and vegetables.

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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:15 am
by jslade
https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/740589946025693184

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:25 am
by NIP247
Silicon Valley Burger...