The basest possible question re: Trader Compensation on different desks

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violet_contamination
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The basest possible question re: Trader Compensation on different desks

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Alright everyone,



Long time lurker, first time poster. Awesome phorum you got here, very informative and people don't pull their punches! I am finishing a Ph.D. in a not-so-quant subject, but before that I read Engineering at a top school. This summer I interned at a bank in equities and to my surprise, they want me back! This should be through a graduate scheme and I shall be hobnobbing with 20 year old college kids and MBAs. The scramble for desks was interesting during summer and the desk to which I shall be married to (after various rotations) will be determined as they do in speed dating(with me as the lad and the desk as the woman). Which reminds me of my awful skills in dating...



Enough rambling and cutting to the chase: Although I did get an idea about culture of desks during summer and I have searched for posts here which border on tangential issues. But as a Trader, which desks of the following will be most lucrative in terms of *simple cash*?

They are all in equities:



Structured Derivatives (I think one of senior members posted here that it is hard to start as a straight exotic trader)

Single Stock Derivatives

Electronic Derivatives (although I think that show is mostly run by quants!)

Stab Art (my programming sucks and hence not so keen)

Algorithmic Trading (my programming sucks and hence not so keen)

Program Trading

Convertible Trading

Equity Swaps

Prop Desk (includes Long Short, Risk Arb, Convert Arb, but as I read here on the phorum, starting out on Prop is not the best idea)

... There are more, but I am not very keen to them.



Also for the best preparation possible:

1. I have read parts of Hull, do plan to revisit it along with doing the problems!

2. I have read on the phorum regarding Natenberg (have it), and Baird. Someone on the desk recommended me Cox and Rubenstein.

3. Learning Excel VBA as first year or two on the desk is to learn and be the clerk, along with the lunch and coffee round :)



One question: Should I bother learning C++/Java? They did place me on a programming sort of desk for some weeks there and I worked hard on my Java to finish the project.



Personally, I love mental arithmetic and quick decision making, if my nerves are okay. And nothing is more fun than figuring out square root of 657 in 2 seconds to me. I would pick that over breaking my head over code. All I have to say, I wish I was smart enough to do that!



Cheers and thanks for your time. I guess I am being a leech by asking you to indulge me, but I promise to give back!
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Bachelier
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sell side or buy side?
Okay, if I can turn a sphere inside out with smooth isotopy, how come I can't turn the manifold that is myself inside out to see why my stomach hurts?
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Sounds like UBS.
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granchio
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don't think UBS.



anyway, my 0.02$: the cash in the short term is most likely going to be very same. the question is cash in the long term. for that, you have to maximize your learning. hence go for the desk where you have a chance of learning most, though balance it with gut feeling esp. regarding liking the people and the atmosphere on that desk. your work is going to become your life, so you better choose something that looks at least bearable
Dubito ergo sum
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EDIT: double posted
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